A Father Begs for Time With the Children - Part 5
Have your own psycho ex? Get a FREE Report on "Why Co-Parenting Doesn't Work", or learn how to win child custody with a custody coach.
After the exchange detailed in Part 4, she “took a few days” to think about what I wrote. Clearly, it did no good. In fact, this would be one of several times I’ve shared where she encourages me to “come back to her.” Yes, even amongst all of this back-and-forth about how horrible I allegedly was… how she has gotten past everything… how she is glad to be rid of me… right here she makes overtures of taking me back. I kid you not.
PEW:
I had to think about this for a few days, but here is all I can say to you. Yes, it is sad that our family broke up. All you had to do, was listen to me when I talk, not scream in my face when we disagree, be respectful, let me make some decisions about how and when and for what we were going to spend money on, and we would still be together.
LM:
Wow. Most of this stuff is so patently false or inaccurate that I would almost think you were joking. As usual, I will offer you a dose of reality:
1 – Listen to you when you talk: I listened to you when you talked. I listened when you demanded. I listened when you threw hysterical fits to get your way. I listened when you repeatedly threatened divorce and or walked out because things were not done in accordance with your demands. I listened when you called me the most horrible names and tossed out the most unconscionable insults, cursed me, wished me dead in front of the children, threatened divorce and threatened to walk out (and sometimes did) dozens and dozens of times during the course of our marriage, I listened when you disparaged my family and friends. I listened to it all and I guarantee you that I listened for so much longer than any reasonable man would have or should have. I did so under the clearly misguided belief that with the proper guidance, the marriage could be saved. However, you never gave that guidance any chance of working because occasionally, you would hear things about you that you didn’t agree with – and, as always – quit. This is not to say that I didn’t make mistakes, I most certainly did. However, I made significant efforts to get guidance with controlling my volume in the face of your viciousness and horrible mouth. I might add that I was successful in that endeavor.
Conspicuously absent from your assessment above – is your complete lack of self-control and your expert ability to mentally and verbally abuse another person like no other I have encountered in all of my life, either directly or indirectly – and its impact on our ability to discuss much of anything like reasonable adults. It was you who flat out told me that you weren’t going to stop calling me names and being insulting, all the while demanding that I wouldn’t raise my voice when you started in with one of your verbal assaults, and still – I went and addressed my issues (years before) the end of our marriage even though you wouldn’t do the same.
2 – Be respectful: I was. And for the better part of our 8-year marriage, I maintained that in the face of your venomous diatribes against me and mine. Yes, on occasion, I got loud in the face of your verbal assaults. I sought guidance for that. You never did for your lack of self-control issues, which remain in place - even today.
3 – Let you make decisions regarding how, when, and for what we would spend money on: That’s all I ever did. When I did the bills – you complained. When I gave the bills to you – you complained. When I re-acquired responsibility for the bills – you complained. We got central air-conditioning on your say so. We got cars when you decided you no longer wanted what you had (3 times). We moved on your demands and under threat of divorce. We moved to the location you wanted on your demands and under threat of divorce. But seriously, that is all water under the bridge.
The bigger issue is this – that you have the audacity to dare even mention this in the face of the reality that is for years – FOR YEARS – all I ever wanted to do is sit down and create a budget WITH you. A budget that would be worked out together to determine a spending and savings plan so that we could really determine what we had coming in, what we had going out, and figure out how to save in order to spend on those things that we desired to obtain. Not one time did you ever agree to work together to make a budget. Not one time. Your idea of a budget is to go out and secretly get your own credit card, run up $6,000 worth of debt in 6-months, and then divorce me knowing that I would be “on the hook” for half of it. The whole idea behind preparing a budget was to do just what you allege I wouldn’t do (make smart decisions on saving & spending), but your paranoia that it was being done to somehow “track” only what you spend was too powerful to allow you to recognize the importance of a budget given our track record and our inability to actually save money for the future – our future and our children’s future. I can’t remember how many times you would justify the desire to go deeper into debt by telling me how much MORE in debt your friends were. Brilliant logic.
Finally, we would not still be together. Ultimately, your desire to control and dominate everything in our relationship and use whatever threats and tools of manipulation available to you ensured it wasn’t going to survive. Even today you continue to use the children and my desire to spend meaningful time with them as a weapon, which is the saddest part of all. 2 months, PEW. I’m asking for primary time for 2 months out of the year and appropriate meaningful time during the balance of the year that will be least disruptive to their school schedule. That’s the bottom line and you continue to fight against it.
PEW:
If you are so distraught about how the boys lives are right now. Change and then come back. I would love for them to have an intact family, but LM you were unbearable. There are two very distinct sides to your personality. There is the funny (hilarious), the loving, etc… Then there is the other side, selfish, controlling, tempermental, moody, impulsive, etc….
LM:
More unbelievable projection on your part and I have the documentation to prove it. I’ve already listed examples of your controlling and manipulative behavior in this email. I could make a list that would be nearly unending if I thought there was any purpose in doing so. I allowed myself to be forced to make huge, life-affecting decisions based upon your moodiness, unpredictable temperament, and threats that define you as the controlling person you always have been and probably always will be. As for selfishness – you lived the “if you get something I have to get something of equal or greater value” mantra. It was almost obsessive. Remember – it was you who said “if you get that motorcycle, I’m divorcing you!” It was you who said, “if you get that motorcycle, then I am getting a diamond ring that costs at least as much!” This, despite the fact that my father gave me the money to buy that bike when I told him I couldn’t justify spending the money on it. And what did you say when I told you that? You told me that I should not get the bike anyway because there were other things that you wanted to see that money spent on. When did I ever do stuff like that to you? Never. When your parents gave you money, did I ever say something like that? Did I ever demand “a cut” of it? Did I ever question what it was you were going to spend that money on? Never. Let’s not even get started about your antics over most holidays regarding what you got, how you got it, when you got it, and everything else. If I went out to visit a friend on a given day or night (a rare occurrence), you were all about making sure you got even, this – despite the fact that I never stopped you from doing things on your own, with your friends, and always encouraged you to do so. You made everything “tit-for-tat.” My goodness it’s so hard for me to fathom that you either believe you are not this person or just simply will go through life failing to acknowledge the significance of the horrifying things you did and said in our marriage.
Reality, PEW. This is the reality.
PEW:
If you can get that side under control, then I would most certainly welcome you back into my life. If you can’t acknowledge it then there’s nothing I can do to help the kids beyond what I am already doing.
LM:
That “side” that you embellish to no end is in control and has been very much in control to everyone except you and those you convince to propagate such embellishment (and in some cases, outright fabrication). That’s the way you work. Surround yourself with those who tell you, “Yeah, yeah, PEW – you’re right! You were horribly abused! I can’t believe you put up with that bad guy for so long!” and eliminate from your life those who say, “PEW, you know, I’m not so sure that your portrayal is all that accurate” or similar. It’s what keeps the distortions alive and kicking in your mind. Without those who would question your judgment, your versions of stories, your portrayals of who I am and how I operate – friends, family, counselors, whomever – you can be happy in your world of animosity, anger, and bitterness towards “Big Bad LM.” Think about it, you would tell people, the court, the counselors how you “feared for your safety” and “feared for your life” living with me. Yet, lived in the same house with me for nearly 4 full months after deciding you wanted a divorce (because I was so horrible) when I told you to take your time if you’re hell bent on following through with divorce and moving out, and find a place that is appropriate for you and the kids. When I bring this contradiction of your distortion and the actual reality to your attention, you get confused and cross-eyed trying to explain away how your distortion and the reality don’t quite match up. Your house of distortion will crumble under the weight of reality.
What needs to happen is for you to wake up and realize that there is nothing left for us to fight about. I’ve moved on from our marriage. You should have, too. You need to begin to move forward whether you accept “my version” of events or “your version” of events about a past that is long gone. We are divorced, PEW – none of that matters now. Very little of what I wrote above matters now. What is of paramount importance now are the boys. Stop wasting precious time, energy, and money fighting against their spending meaningful time with me. I am tired of these emails back and forth, however, I will no longer allow you to type these revisions of history without challenge. I’m sure you must be becoming tired of it, too, and if not – that is another problem. The boys are handling things as best as possible right now and this crap between us needs to stop, too. I repeat – the schedule I have suggested is not unreasonable given the circumstances. Are you really going to sit back and await Gloria’s report on the chance that it might not recommend what I request so that you can use that as a battering ram against me? More bitterness, anger, and hostility? Is that the chance you want to take when all of this BS could stop with an agreement? All of your blathering on about the “detriment of the children” and they seem to be handling things as well as can be expected, but if you think that eventually they aren’t going to be impacted by this ongoing animosity over how much time you are “willing to allow” them to spend with a father who loves them dearly – you are tragically mistaken. What the heck are you going to tell them if they discover that you fought so hard to prevent them from spending this time with me? I hope you’ve given this a great deal of thought.
Thank GOD I would discover low-contact in June of 2005. It would take some time to effectively employ it, but I gotta tell ya… this is an exhausting read even years later.
I’d like to think that my empassioned plea would crack the disordered facade of the Psycho Ex-Wife. However, like having invisible deflector-shields that simply push reality out and around her rather than allowing it to have an impact - it simply never happened.



June 19th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Mister-M - what really struck me on this was the part you wrote about her having to have a dollar-for-dollar match to anything you got. My PEH was EXACTLY the same way! No wonder he needs to file bankruptcy now; he just can’t get his compulsive spending under control. The feeling of entitlement is unreal. Also, PEW for DH used to feel anything DH got she was entitled to. He once got a gift catalog from his company for years of service, and PEW felt she should be the one to pick the gift. Same thing happened if his dad gave him birthday money; PEW would take it and spend it on herself, claiming it was “for the family”. When does a manicure for PEW benefit the family?
June 19th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I am glad I was able to read your impassioned pre-low contact replies: they say everything you/we all want to say in the face of such provocation and madness. We know it is like throwing words at a Teflon surface–and that low contact is far better in the end–but still good to read.
One question, am I right in thinking that she is suggesting that if you could change, she would get back together with you is happening AFTER you were with DW??
June 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
In the couple instances I got PEG in front of our daughter’s therapist (whom she was still trying to manipulate, but whom had already recognized her as a manipulator/BPD/NPD), and confronted her with evidence of her abusive conduct, she simply stormed out of the room.
That’s what they do. The thinking is distorted, history is revised to meet her needs, and when confronted with incontrovertible proof of it, they just press “Delete” or simply run away. You are basically dealing with a child.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I love your long and well thought out statements and her short and not on point replies.
The projection and distortion that PEW does is amazing.
Each one of the PEW/H’s out there live in their own perfect victim “Matrix”- where they are the only perfect person in the world and everyone else is mean, psycho, crazy, or whatever word fits for everyone else but them.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I loved the dollar for dollar reference. When I was married to my PEW I knew that any money I spent on myself I would have to match so as to not start a huge fight.
The best was when I was lucky enough to have gotten accepted to a truck driving school in another town. A state program picked up the whole tab, including the cost of lodging plus $500 for living expenses. That was $500 for a whole month. And guess what? thats right, we got into a huge fight because I flat out refused to give her a cut of the money. I guess $125 a week was way to much to live on as far as she was concerned. Funny thing was that a year later I proposed giving her an allowance of $125 a week and I was called abusive and controlling.
June 19th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
GGRR - yes, that is correct. This is after I’ve been together with DW. If you’ve followed along closely, it wasn’t the last reference of getting back together since then. There have been many overtures from PEW, including as recently as the last half of last year if I remember correctly.
June 20th, 2009 at 7:46 am
….I can’t believe this, how can so many of us be living the same life? Our PEW (HH) makes overtures to my BF all the time. she lies about affairs she had, denies everything she did and when my BF talked to her mother a few months ago, the mother said HH has had huge regret, when are you moving back? We have lived together over 2 years and she now wants him back! He has moved on and would never want her after what she has done to their kids. I don’t understand how she can think teaching the kids that he doesn’t care about them helps them. wouldn’t they be healthier knowing they have unconditional love from both parents? she is crippling their kids? sorry to ramble. we are waiting for the judge to tell us what our life will be, two months now….we haven’t seen the kids since 2/15/09 cause HH wants him to see the kids at her house, she really is desperate.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 am
[...] follow us on Twitter or get a FREE Report on “Why Co-Parenting Doesn’t Work”. Thanks for visiting!Continuing from Part 5, where PEW made overtures of my returning to her if I “changed” - she does the [...]
August 24th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Some people like your ex wife are just scared of missing out …they can’t bear to see someone get something if they do not. Other people like you and I and probably DW delight in seeing a loved one have something that would make them happy, Probably DW would be delighted to see the happiness in your face when you got a new mororcycle, that in itself would be a reward, a good feeling.
People like your Ex wife….well TOMO’s I call them ‘terrified of missing out.’