A Father Begs for Time With the Children - Part 4
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Continuing from Part 3… This exchange focuses primarily on the events of the second custody evaluation sessions and a debate over who is bitter, angry, and dwelling on the past…
PEW:
LM, I am not bitter or angry. I am not trying to get back at you for anything.
LM:
But clearly you are. It was evident in the custody evaluation. It is evident with each new embellished or fabricated accusation. It’s clear in most everything you do or say. Out of one side of your mouth, it’s all about how I don’t help and how I am “not there” for the children and yet – you are fighting tooth & nail to prevent just that from happening in a capacity that is least disruptive to the children’s educations at this point. You talk and talk and talk and type and type and type and yet, you can’t (or rather won’t) resolve the huge conflict between your words and your actions. If there is one thing that I am angry about regarding the divorce – it’s the effect it has on the kids, which you have yet to take responsibility for. They had a loving home with two parents, you took that away from them as well as the only house they had known. I had no illusions about our marriage, I was there for the kids, not for you. As with everything else in your life, someone else is to blame so that you can play the “victim”.
PEW:
I couldn’t be happier to be rid of you, however you do make things very difficult for me where the kids are concerned. I feel bad for them that you “use” the kids because you are still angry about my filing for divorce.
LM:
Is that what you believe? You’ll notice that in the evaluation – you repeatedly attempted to badmouth me and “tell the whole (alleged) truth.” You were repeatedly stopped or otherwise interrupted by Gloria. How many times did she say, “that happened a long time ago, we need to focus today and the future” ??? Only you spoke of the past wrongs that have been allegedly perpetrated upon you during your marriage. I certainly wasn’t the one dwelling on the past and the marriage. I was the one dwelling on the children and their future.
PEW:
The years I spent with you were the MOST unhappy years of my life. The only good thing to come out of being with you are S1 and S2……
LM:
Hey, I understand your feelings. You don’t have to repeat them to me. You made that clear when you attempted, and then quit (again), marital counseling.
PEW:
if only you could put aside your anger and just help me parent them and stop wanting more more more for yourself.
LM:
That’s precisely what I am trying to do. Isn’t this the part where you tell me that I am the “greedy” one for wanting to spend the majority of two months out of the twelve in question with my sons? I can’t help parent them if you CONTINUALLY FIGHT my time with them. Or am I supposed to just be the disciplinarian over the phone so you can be the “good” parent you so strongly want to be? You want to be the one that buys them things, and then send them to the phone so Dad can reprimand them and correct them when they misbehave. That’s not parenting. You continually say, and so do ALL the counselors they have seen, that they need time with me, yet you fight me in court to take that time away? There can only be one reason for that PEW, it’s all about you and not the boys. It never has been about the boys with you.
PEW:
Always wanting things your way, which is the way it always was. I find your assertion that it’s “my way or the highway” hilarious.
LM:
You wanted me to sell the house. You ultimately got it. You wanted the car and $5,000 cash. You got it. You wanted to modify the custody agreement (twice) after we had worked things out. You got it. You wanted alimony to continue until we got our divorce decree. You got it. That’s just the tip of the iceberg, PEW. You keep deluding yourself into believing it’s the other way around. More classic projection on your part. Throughout this divorce, and it’s proven in court documents and attorney work product, it has been ME giving in on property settlement and custody agreements in order to end the fighting. That ends here. Those boys need me and I will fight for the time I am entitled to, and the type of parenting they need.
PEW:
You are the one who keeps bringing up the past by continually saying, I filed for divorce and what a terrible decision it was. It wasn’t terrible. THIS is terrible, but every day I pray that you’ll get over it and just be happy that you met DW. If she even “likes” you, consider yourself lucky and move on because you are NOT an easy person to get along with. God Bless her, the poor thing.
LM:
More distortions of reality, PEW. My reminders to you that you filed for divorce, are only to bring reality back to you when you, yet again, lay 100% of the blame for all of your problems at my doorstep. Like living in an apartment for a year - your choice for not taking the settlement. Driving the car – your choice over the van because you wanted that money. The list goes on. The truth is out there, PEW, you just need to face it. Someday you will be an adult and understand what your actions have caused and hopefully you will take responsibility when those boys ask why they didn’t see Daddy as much as they wanted to, it’s because of you. They will someday see the court documents and wonder why, when you say I’m such a good father and that they needed me, that you stopped me from seeing them. They will know the truth in time.
PEW:
I am waiting to go to court and whatever the judge decides on the summer and the school year, I’ll live with, but first I’m going to make sure that the “whole” story is told.
LM:
Right… and, as usual, this conflicts with your assertion that you are not bitter and angry, an assertion made in the opening of this very email. And what is the “whole” story PEW? Again, it’s you living in the past as you keep saying you are moving on. Mark my words right now, should the judge give me more time than you think I should have, for whatever reason, you will say the judge was wrong and was duped, because you can never accept that you are wrong and responsible. It’s a sickness.
PEW:
I want the kids to have a good relationship with you, but not at THEIR expense, or at the expense of their relationship with me because you could have been here in [custody-state], co-parenting, like a good father should, but this is what YOU chose, not me.
LM:
At their expense? Wrong again, not spending time with me is at their expense. But it certainly sets up your future victim stance doesn’t it? As soon as something goes wrong with them it will be my fault because I wasn’t there, even though I have been forced to fight to be there for them by their mother. Again, you will have gotten what you wanted only to find out it wasn’t what you could handle and I will receive all the blame, though you are the one stopping me from spending time with them. Also, it’s not at the expense of a relationship with you, PEW. You have a primary relationship with them and even if you would just stop fighting over nothing and agree to a reasonable Summer and school-year schedule, you will continue to have a primary relationship with them if that is what you want. Further, you continue to ignore the fact that we would be in the same situation whether I lived in the areas that were realistic options for me (and the children). We would be going to court over the summer (because Lord knows you wouldn’t agree to a reversal of custody during the Summer months regardless). However, acknowledging the realities of options not taken would mean you having to face truths that you are clearly not prepared to face.
PEW:
I got a divorce because you are totally unbearable and “over-bearing” to quote Sonya (CE1). Anyone who knows you, knows that it was the best decision I could have made. You need to stop dwelling on the divorce….it’s done.
LM:
You keep bringing it up, PEW, not me. Additionally, what you should have written was “anyone who agrees with and supports my distortions of reality about you” knows it’s the best decision you could have made. Those who don’t – you abandon. Counselors, friends, neighbors… anyone who questions your version of events is cast aside as “the enemy.”
PEW:
Please stop saying I am standing in the way of your relationship with the kids because I GAVE you 50/50 custody even though Sonya recommended 70/30.
LM:
No, you didn’t. You see, there is where you fail to accurately portray reality (again). Yes, originally, in December, we agreed to 50/50. However, you and your wonderful attorney modified the original agreement between us twice subsequent to that. Remember how you chopped out my every other Tuesday because of how difficult it was going to be ON YOU? This wasn’t my way or the highway, this was, as usual, your way or the highway. These are the things you do. And the reason that you did this was so that you could – yep, you guessed it – get more money! You modified the custody agreement saying, “I won’t go after you for more money” – and right there, in writing, in the middle of January – you filed for a modification of support! It’s all about you and the cash, PEW, and yet – you tell anyone who will give you an ear that that is my modus operandi. The truth is out there. You get what you wanted and then have the nerve to complain about the burden driving them to school was (the whole 10-15 minutes that drive was). Then, when I suggested a reversal because I would have no problem taking them to school EVERY day, you refused. Why? Because then you couldn’t portray yourself as the victim. Also worthy of note – Sonya recommended a reversal of the custody arrangement for the SUMMER – conveniently ignored by you? The only difference was that you would get 1 overnight the week of your off-weekend whereas I was only granted a dinner visit. That’s almost identical to my first proposal, by the way… since YOU bring it up. You never gave me 50/50 custody, the paperwork proves it PEW. I hope you don’t plan on spinning these lies in a courtroom. Spending time with both parents is what’s best for the boys, you’ve said it time and again, and as I’ve said before, you have yet to come up with a reason that you are fighting it. Again, it’s all about you and not about the boys.
PEW:
I gave you every weekend, and you asked for a weekend “off” from your kids. I gave you every other weekend when I didn’t have to. I keep you in the loop about everything. Then I was about to give this summer thing a try and I realized, “why should I, when I truly don’t believe it’s best for the kids?” Because you’ve proven, time and time again that you don’t care what is best for S1 and S2.
LM:
Laughable. Your delusions know no end. You didn’t “give” me every weekend. You worked that ridiculous schedule for a number of reasons:
#1 – To maximize your financial stream. The ONLY reason you changed your schedule was because I wouldn’t agree to give you 50/50 money when I was going have them 60% of the time at your original schedule. That’s a fact.
#2 – You worked that ridiculous Friday night and double-double weekend schedule to minimize the actual time you had to spend with the boys during week. Sure, it was all fun and games hanging out at your parents and down the shore all Summer. But one-on-one time with the kids was minimal at best and I imagine with both of them in school (S1 full time), you had what? A few hours 4 nights per week with the children? 2 full days with S2 and 3 partial? And most of those evenings you were at your parents. Talk about doing things that aren’t “best” for the boys.
#3 – I didn’t ask for a “weekend off from the kids.” I gave you a weekend with the children since you had so little actual wake-time with the boys during the week. So I traded you a single weekend per month in exchange for a couple of days during the week so that I could do homework things for them and take them to school once in a while in the face of your constant complaining about having to drive them each day. I specifically called it an “off-weekend” in exchange for week nights. Nice try to twist it up, though! Bravo!
PEW:
You are about to find out that your “Plan B” is going to fall through. You should have just taken my proposed summer schedule.
LM:
What “Plan B?” Call it what you like… my desire to spend meaningful time with my children is not a detriment to them despite your desire to make it so. If you cared about the kids and appropriate parenting from their father, you wouldn’t fight about this. But it’s not about the kids, it’s about your ongoing desire to control things and get back at me for the awful marriage you purport to have had.
PEW:
Again, I’m going to implore you to get some counseling through a good Psychiatrist. You need meds.
LM:
You need to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror, PEW. Keep projecting, it just proves your need for a diagnosis. Focus on the children. Focus on moving on with your life and stop dwelling on the past.
She should have been a fiction writer. I have known no one and hope never to meet another who can just completely create a scenario that seriously and significantly breaks with reality. I have to give her credit for her relentlessness. Even when I repeatedly return the volley with actual supportable facts, she just runs right through it onward to her next delusion. The unmitigated gall of this bitch to be sitting in the position she was in daring to contend that all I wanted was “more more more” and I was the selfish one. Holy shit!


June 17th, 2009 at 4:57 am
Aw Mr M,to quote you “I have known no one and hope never to meet another who can just completely create a scenario that seriously and significantly breaks with reality. ” Well, you wont ever meet this one, but there is another creature on the planet just like that your PEW, who creates unbelievable (to anyone except her and her cronies) scenarios of abuse, threats, etc against her (of course) and her small daughter, who my husband has now in his care, as our judge in his great and awesome wisdom removed the girl from the PEG’s “care” and placed her with us! Of course, they always scream from the rooftops that everyone else is wrong/lying (judges, police, lawyers, social workers, contact supervisors, teachers and doctors to name but a few) and that they will prove that theyre the ones telling the truth by any means possible. (never happens though does it cos its impossible!)
June 17th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Ah, one day, this will be all over, Mr.M. The day KARMA decides to say ‘enough is enough’ and throws her in the wood chipper.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am
They are all the same! I was talking with my DW going over this post and it rang so familiar that I looked over my old emails and saw basically the same track.
We give facts and just want time with our kids but they want money and all of the power!
It really is ridiculous that the courts can not and will not open their collective eyes to see this manipulation for what it is.
Yes I understand that the courts do see it but look the other way because if they did not then they would be out of a job!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:58 am
“Someday you will be an adult…”
Not according to the books I’ve read, which say emotional development for sufferers of these disorders stops at some premature point (typically around age 12 for a BPD).
But it was a good zinger anyway!
MR
June 17th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Ian;
“they would be out of a job” — EXACTLY
Applying the law and statements like “best interest of the children” results in concluding they are incompentent or biased.
Follow the court system’s money trail and TA DA!!! all their actions are now logical and predictable.
June 17th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Man, stop with the “Parts” crap. I get in to reading….getting all excited at the edge of my seat. Then BAM: It Continues in Part 5! LOL
June 17th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
“I am not bitter or angry. I am not trying to get back at you for anything.”
Our PEW said the exact same thing, almost down to the word. It was around the time she was trying to tell DH that she wasn’t going to let him have the kids for Thanksgiving (it would have been his first holiday spent with the kids since the divorce, since PEW wouldn’t let him have holidays previously) in spite of a court order stating it was his time. She said something just like your quote above, and then continued, “I don’t care about your feelings. I don’t care what you think. All I care about are MY children, and they don’t want to see you.”
PEWs are so damn predictable.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:30 am
OMG…I am new to this forum. My eyes and mouth were wide open while reading this passage. I am flabbergasted at just how delusional PEW is. Reading this gave me a feeling of disgust and hopelessness. My boyfriend and I suspect his ex-wife has BPD. Some of the things PEW were saying are along the lines of what his ex would say. We are at the beginning stages of divorce/custody battles and if this is a glimpse of what is to come I will be running for cover. At least you’ve established boundaries and limits. My boyfriend is in the process of setting limits and most times she steps over the line. Thanks for sharing, this is an eye opener.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Aleann… the “parts” thing has a purpose that is twofold.
1 - It’s a LOT to digest in one sitting, so breaking it up makes it more manageable and gives the readers (and the writer) time to “catch their breath.”
2 - I want you to FEEL how it felt to have a communication like this go back-and-forth over several days. Granted, it’s taking a few days longer than it really did… but not by much.
It’s that feel of the insanity where, you read and respond and then another comes back. You read and respond and go to bed… waking up in the morning to see it’s ugliness is back again and then you feel compelled to respond again.
This is a real great example of not only her state-of-mind, but mine as well… and just how my responses contribute to the escalation of the time.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Tiffany;
Consider yourself lucky that you discovered this information sooner in the process (wanna see my scars). The point of change seems to be when you realize that BPD is a disorder that you can not reason with. Set boundaries (esp. do not respond to off topic statements and do not make her problems your problems), maintain low contact (preferably through e-mail), be consistent where you do respond, do everything you can to keep her antics from impacting your relationship and the family life you establish.
No way there isn’t some impact but I can honestly say that my PEW’s ability to upset our day-to-day existence is now very limited.
Good luck!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Tiffany, I was going to say just about the same thing Schottsax said to you. If you’ve figured out that BPD or a related personality disorder is at play in your situation, you are in a much better position than Mister-M, myself, or many others who had to figure it out themselves.
By implementing the defenses talked about on this blog, and the resources linked to on it, you can minimize the negative impact your PEW can have on your lives, and especially the lives of the kids. I recommend “Splitting” by William Eddy as a good starting point for learning to protect yourself, “Divorce Poison” by Warshak for how to help your kids if Parental Alienation is a factor.
Good luck!
June 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Oh, and I think I posted this here before, but Tiffany, “Understanding the Borderline Mother” by Lawson really helped me be a little less angry with my PEG, and a little more compassionate. It explains what the BPD is experiencing, and it does not sound fun *at all*. Being able to use that understanding of her disorder really helped me let go of some of the anger that had built over the years where I thought she was intentionally trying to drive me insane and destroy our daughter.
If your BF is open to it, you might track down some of these books and the ones listed on this blog’s Booklist. The Lawson book was crazy expensive and not available in my local library, but worth every penny from Amazon.
Peace.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Mister-M - I take it this communication was prior to learning about low-contact? I have learned SO much about dealing with BPD, especially from your site. Understanding how the BPD thinks helps us better know when to make an issue and when to let it go. So much of your communication was useless and only fed her BPD even more. She didn’t read what you wrote, or read every other word, or the words she wanted to see. You could have quoted the Bible and she wouldn’t have understood. It is so helpful to know now that these kinds of communications are not unique, and they all end with the same result…nothing.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
You are correct. June of 2005 (this time period) is about the time I discovered BPD… probably a little longer before learning about low-contact… and then a little longer after that to really start to change my habits.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:44 am
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June 22nd, 2009 at 9:31 am
Thank you MR for the resources and your encouragement. Yesterday wasn’t a good day for my BF. She promised to bring his son by for Father’s Day and didn’t. I felt so bad for him and at the same time helpless. One thing I need to learn is how not to make it my problem but on days like this it is hard not to when his spirit is down because of the games she plays.