Big Confrontations: Custody Schedules & Vacations (Part 1)
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At this point, in the late-Spring, early-Summer of 2005, DW and I decided to try to plan a summer vacation that included all of the children at a beach resort town we’ll call Bolivar Beach. DW is the main planner for such activities. She’s actually a miracle worker in that regard!
And so it was, in April of 2005, plenty of advanced notice, she reserved a place for us to stay at Bolivar Beach. Our vacation would be from July 9th through July 16th, 2005. This was communicated to Psycho Ex-Wife via several phone calls and discussed, albeit loosely, in subsequent email exchanges as we raged over making a summer schedule as detailed heavily in the “Father Begs” series.
This rather lengthy exchange will set up Part II (of what I hope to make only III), which is going to take some work. We’re trying to see if we can appropriately edit the voice mails left by Psycho-SIL and Psycho-FIL that would result from my finally “drawing a line in the sand” on an agreement made between PEW and I, which she tried to back out of at the 11th-hour.
Due to her interest, which I thought (at the time) was appropriate, we agreed for her to see our new home so that she could be comfortable with the accommodations, the community, etc. And, the children were really excited that she agreed to come down to see their “other home.” It was HER suggestion which I discussed with DW and I followed up with her via email.
Date: June 27th, 2005 - My Follow-Up Email
PEW,
Regarding your question from last night - I really think it would be a great idea to have you come down here for a couple of reasons:
- I think it is incredibly important for the boys to see our positive interaction at their [Father Home] (in addition to their [Mother Home]). I think that they will be excited to see you come to get them and excited to tell you all the stuff about the place. You can see where we live, how they live (I know that’s important to you) - even take a trip to the beach if you want to see what that’s about, too, before heading back.
- If you leave early in the morning, you can stop and grab a bite to eat for lunch, and then you can have a nice break in the middle of the day here before heading back.
Please let me know.
Sincerely,
LM
June 27th - PEW Reply
Ok LM, I hope that peice of crap car makes it. It’s in the shop right now. Hopefully it’s nothing major.
~PEW
Oh, good grief with the car complaints again! This would set in motion another Dance of Dysfunction that would occur until July 2nd and beyond…
A few days later… June 29th, 2005
LM,
Can you email me directions please? Also, I’d like to find out how we are handling the exchange on [July] 10th and the 17th, so we can plan accordingly.
~PEW
Right there it happened. The subtle stab in the heart. “July 10th.” Since April, she knew that our vacation was going to be from July 9th through July 16th. I noticed it right away and knew we were in trouble. This occurs after I understand her to be taking the first HALF of the week of July 4th for her vacation. She couldn’t take the full week because she “didn’t have the vacation time” to do so. She was going to take the children to her parent’s vacation home from July 3rd through July 7th. I even moved up the exchange date from 7/3 to 7/1 so that there was a travel buffer because she was coming down to see the place. Never let it be said that a good deed goes unpunished when dealing with a psycho ex.
PEW,
I will get you directions. However, please note:
My vacation with the boys in Bolivar starts on the 9th, please don’t even pretend to act like you did not know this. I was hoping to pick them up on Friday night the 8th so that we can leave early on Saturday the 9th. You had plenty of advanced notice about this and it was in place long before the forthcoming week with you.
~LM
Now, keep in mind that I had already moved-up the exchange date so that she didn’t have to drive to our home, back to her home, and then down to her parents vacation place all in one day. Totally irrelevant to the PEW. I wanted to go get them and return to our home so that we could take one vehicle early in the morning and be able to hit the beach by afternoon.
LM,
That is my vacation week as well and it has been in place as long as yours has. You are unbelievable. Your next week with them begins Sun. the 10th and ends Sun the 17th. That’s a very nice vacation. Can I have a nice vacation with them as well?
~PEW
Of course she can! She can have the vacation she arranged, planned, and communicated. All I wanted was the same consideration, like an idiot. The problem with her complete and total lack of logic is that our place was rented from SATURDAY until SATURDAY. The plans were put in place and communicated months prior. Not weeks, but months. Left out of the explanation was that we were meeting another family (DW’s sister) for the vacation. It also meant if we didn’t follow the plan, it was going to be 2 cars, 2 separate days, a vacation day lost, and a tremendous amount of extra expense. Oh, and she’s full of shit about her vacation being planned “for as long as” ours had been. Ours was planned in April. Hers… June.
So I sent her reminders of our prior email exchange from June 6th… on June 29th.
PEW,
FYI… now stop going out of your way to ruin my vacation with the children. And please don’t dare try to contend that I wrote this email “to myself.”
From: “LM”
To: PEW
Subject: Your Vacation w/Boys…
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005You haven’t told me specifically when your July Vacation with the boys was scheduled. Is it the week of the 4th?
~LM
From: “PEW”
To: LM
Subject: RE: Your Vacation w/Boys…
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005I would like to have the week of the 4th. I’ve missed alot of work with them being sick so I probably won’t be able to take a whole week though (I had to take almost 3 whole days off). It would be nice if I could get them the 1st, so that I can at least have them the whole holiday weekend.
~PEW
And so we continue…
LM,
I am in touch with the court about this matter. Please do not contact me again.
~PEW
And on…
PEW,
I now have a new lawyer. She will be putting in an “Entry of Appearance” then we can put her and D-Mac in touch with each other.
~PEW
And on…
PEW,
Okay. That still doesn’t resolve the issue of my vacation with the boys, though.
~LM
And on…
LM,
I will be sending you a certified letter about that. You should receive it in a few days.
~PEW
June 30th was a day without communication between us. Perhaps to recharge our argument batteries, I don’t know. On July 1st, she sends this email that demonstrates what is perhaps the 1,000th example of her backing out of agreements. Nevermind the plans others make on the promises of PEW to do something. When she decides to change her mind about something, all of the other affected parties are expected to adjust accordingly. This time, however, I would not.
LM,
I’d really appreciate it if you would meet me halfway tomorrow. Rather than spend the money on a hotel, I’d rather spend it while we are on vacation. I really need to get AAA or something, just in case the car does break down.
I am not doing this to be a jerk, I just really can’t see how I’m going to drive 10 hours in one day, all by myself. Let me know.
~PEW
Of course she’s doing it to be a jerk. She made a suggestion followed by a commitment to follow-through. We made our plans for the weekend accordingly. Those plans did not involve meeting her halfway.
PEW,
A couple of things that you need to consider:
#1 - The boys are expecting you, and if you really want AAA you can get it activated today without a problem. They are really excited that you are coming down.
#2 - We would have really appreciated it if you had met us halfway all those times we asked, but you didn’t care about that. You express all these concerns about the boys’ safety when it’s convenient for you (conferences/court), but when it comes time to help in doing something to allay those concerns, you fail to step up, constantly coming up with excuses why you can’t do it.
#3 - It’s not my choice that you plan on driving directly to your parent’s house. You don’t have to or you can “have your family help,” like you so often suggest I do.
#4 - Yet again, you choose saving a buck over doing something that will make it easier on you and the boys. Again, we had an agreement and arrangements made and expectations, and just like so many times before, you are changing them at the 11th hour. You could come down tonight and stay someplace relatively inexpensive to make the Saturday drive a whole lot easier.
Making things easier for each other is a two-way street, PEW… and to-date, I can’t think of one thing you’ve stepped up to do to work together, even when it would be of substantial benefit to the children. The one time you did, you weren’t going to do it unless you were promised the gas money you demanded. The second time, you cut significantly short the location because it would interfere with your date time with your boyfriend - the one you introduced to our children after a scant few weeks of dating, which I find incredibly irresponsible (not to mention contrary to the “5 or 6 months” you told Gloria you were seeing him).
When are you going to start making “being helpful for one another” that two-way street it should be?
~LM
And on…
LM,
Ok, so you’re telling me that you are not meeting me? I’ll be there Saturday morning at 9.
Well if that is the case, then why would I bring them all the way to Bolivar for you. I was doing that to be nice and accomodating, but I am certainly not obligated to do all that driving.
As far as the boys being excited about me seeing the house, were they around when your “girlfriend” was talking to me last night? Does she express these opinions of me around the children?
We have a real problem here. We really do.
~PEW
Oh, yes, the usual patting herself on the back regarding how accommodating she alleged is. I’m surprised she left off the “all the time” for this one. And so begins the tangent that is typical of PEWs - bringing in matters that aren’t relevant to the situation at hand to expand the battlefield to several fronts.
PEW,
What I’m telling you is that we should stick to the plan you agreed to. As for my vacation, my expectation is still to pick up the children on Friday night at bedtime. If you’re not there, that will be what the “real problem” is. You aren’t doing me any favors by telling me that you’ll drop them off in Bolivar, effectively taking away at least one whole day of planned activities that have been in place for months. Plans you knew about before springing “the 10th” on me a couple days ago. You don’t have to drive them to Bolivar, you just have to drive them home and be there in accordance with their vacation plans with me, which isn’t asking too much. Not at all.
As for last night… DW was in the closet area in the master bathroom. The master bedroom door was closed. The bathroom door was closed. The children were in bed and I was out in the hallway periodically making sure that nothing could be overheard by anybody. You were talking to her and to my knowledge, she kept a calm, low voice. I can tell you that I didn’t hear her and that was when I was in the bedroom area. Only when I actually walked into the bathroom could I hear anything. As for speaking about you… never. Never, ever around the children and frankly, we have no need nor desire to speak poorly about you amongst ourselves, let alone in front of the children. All I want is for you to stop obsessing about getting back at me and trying so hard to convince everyone who will lend you an ear that I am evil-incarnate. You called up and you specifically ASKED to speak to DW to do just that. Twice I asked you if you were sure and you insisted. Did you really expect to speak to her the way you did and not have her call her on your stories, inconsistencies, and question why you resort to name-calling her when faced with a simple question that you don’t want to answer honestly? Do you even remember some of the things you said?
When the boys are here, we concentrate on our time together, teaching them “stuff,” and how to be polite, respectful, helpful, and friendly to all of the important grownups and others in their lives, including you and your family. Mostly - to have a great time. Even last night, I high-fived S1 and told him how it was great that he spoke to you for so long. He stated that you had a great conversation. That happened because I told him the previous night that if you miss Mom… make a point of talking to her longer on the phone, about your day, her day (notice how he asked you “what did you do today, Mom?”) and how that goes a long way towards helping both of you when you are away from one another. It helps the conversation when you remove them from TV, the computer, playing, etc. so that they can concentrate on talking to you, something I wished you would do in kind when I call. He went to bed with a big smile on his face. He doesn’t need you to buy him stuff for his love, he needs you to pay attention to him. All you do is tell him what you’ll next buy him and all he does is talk about all the things you do buy him. He gets all excited and you think you’ve done your job. You totally scoffed at the rules list that we worked with the children to come up with - all important things that need to be taught and reinforced daily - and you did so without any understanding about just how loving all of that is, not to mention incredibly important to their upbringing. All you sought to do is exploit some language in one of the rules to make it like these kids have the run of the house while the parents are snoring away. How sad.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - you let your anger and obsession about the past prevent US from moving forward into the future with the best interests of our children in mind. If you don’t namecall, argue, stonewall and prevent me from seeing the children as much as can be made to happen meaningfully for all… there is nothing to fight about. Why you fail to see that I’ll never understand.
~LM
And on…
LM,
My new lawyer is Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe out of Sometown.
~PEW
And on…
PEW,
That’s fine. It still doesn’t help us out with regard to vacation.
~LM
And on…
LM,
you’re right, it doesn’t. I have a question for you. why do I get a vacation with the boys from Sat to friday, but your vacation with them is from friday to sunday?
I’ll let you know how I am proceeding after I meet with my lawyer.
~PEW
And on…
PEW,
#1 - My vacation is from Saturday to Saturday, as planned, as you knew. July 9th to July 16th.
#2 - Your vacation is not from Saturday to Friday. Per your communications both via email and on the phone last night, you’re not staying down the entire week, but suddenly intended to leave the children with your family down [for the balance of the week]. This is why I had intended to pick them up Friday night as per usual. My original request, via several emails was from July 9th through July 22nd, when I laid out all of the Summer dates that I had in mind. You said so in emails and told me the same last night. Forgive me if I don’t think it is fair that you want to leave the boys with your family down the shore instead of permitting me, their father, to take them on a months-planned vacation during the dates when the plans were made. We even discussed it in [the custody evaluation] when WE explained that we had actually agreed on a schedule through my vacation plans - July 9th through the 16th. This was also why she was making an effort to speed up the delivery of the report so that we could either come to an agreement before then or at least have court scheduled for the time shortly thereafter.
Until 2 days ago when you sprung the “exchange on the 10th” on me for the first time, I thought (for once) we had actually had something worked out without conflict. Every other weekend until school was out… the 25th to the 2nd (remember how, at your request, I changed to the 2nd from the 3rd to which we originally agreed)? and for my planned vacation from July 9th to the 16th.
You’re the one wanting to wait until Gloria’s report comes in which is why, I again, had to forgo the 9th-22nd request because we have court on the 20th. Yes, that would be ME sacrificing available time with the boys because YOU want to see what the report says.
Finally, in the grand scheme of things (the entire year), you still have these children far more than I do. As usual, you are looking at the micro-version of the issue and not the macro-version of the issue. I am so trying to maximize the time I have with the boys given our current circumstances and you simply can’t (or won’t) help so that they can spend meaningful time with me. Forgive me if I am having a tough time with your argument over one day when I can’t help but look at the entire year.
So when you are telling people how I don’t negotiate and how I never “give up” anything, you can take a look at the fact that, at your request, I moved from the 3rd to the 1st, and lopped off the 17th to the 22nd because of your desire to see what happens with the report and court.
Here’s another idea… when you come home midweek, bring the children. I’ll come all the way up there to get them and you won’t have to worry about babysitting and I won’t have to be worried that I’m losing a portion of planned time to get them for a vacation away. I told you before that I don’t believe, given our divorce, that time down [at the vacation house] with your family, particularly when you’re not there, is more important than their spending time with me.
~LM
As this exchange continued through the afternoon while I was at work, I received two phone calls which I let go to voice mail. One was from Psycho-SIL. One was from Psycho-FIL. To facetiously say that these were “a real treat” is an understatement. Aside from making no sense whatsoever, they were threatening, and a glaring example of where the lying and embellishment is rooted in that family. These phone calls will be the basis for Part II of this crazy exchange. I made no mention of the calls to PEW. Keep in mind now, PEW was supposed to come down the evening of July 1st. We’re well into that day now. Clearly, she wasn’t coming. We continued…
LM,
I will pick them up tomorrow morning.
Now, show me where I agreed to your vacation being from friday to sunday? I don’t believe an agreement ever took place on that issue.
I hope this is all worth it for you when we get to court because you and DW are looking like a worse and worse place to be, everyday.
~PEW
Of course it does. We won’t bow to your threats so that makes us automatically a dangerous place for the children to be.
I ignored this one… finally, but would ultimately continue.
LM,
My family does not feel it is safe for me to come pick the kids up by myself, especially in light of the things that your girlfriend was saying to me last night. Please drop the kids off at my house. If DW comes, make sure she stays in the car.
~PEW
Her family, with its criminal history, which includes violence, is afraid of me, with no such criminal history. There’s some serious projection for you!
PEW,
Sorry, that won’t work. We had an agreement, and for once, my expectation is that you will honor it.
~LM
Keep in mind here, at this point in the process, we don’t have a “Greatest Custody Order/Agreement Clause” in place. I was taking a significant chance doing this and believed I had the evidence to back it up when it went to court. I was just completely fucking fed-up with the circus and decided to stand my ground, regardless of what the consequences might be.
LM,
I am the primary custodial parent. It is a very serious offense to violate the custody order. If the kids are not back in my custody tomorrow, you will be in violation of the court order. We had an agreement, which you and your girlfriend broke, when she said “your kids would be much better off without you, PEW “ Kevin was listening the whole time, and said she sounded crazy. So, I suggest you bring my kids back and not violate the order. Are my kids even safe? I’m not so sure anymore.
~PEW
I sprained my eyeballs (again) rolling them at that one. Are “my” kids even safe? Safer here than there, I assure you. Kevin, who allegedly thought DW “sounded crazy” - didn’t last very long after their short discussion.
PEW,
If you really feel that way, we can do the exchange at the [our] Police Station. We have other plans based upon your agreement to pick them up here and see where they live and such. This is both via emails earlier this week and as late as this morning.
DW said nothing that would make you feel unsafe last night. You specifically requested to speak with her and did so for over an hour of your own accord, even having Kevin speak with her. I don’t know what you told your family but it can’t be the truth if they are under the impression that you are somehow in danger.
~LM
And on…
LM,
I’ll meet you at [my] Police station. Please have the boys call me, I’ll be recording the conversation too.
~PEW
Ignored…
LM,
the court order that is in force is the every other weekend order. I guess this is when I find out if CAM meant it when he said if you didn’t return the kids, MJM and him would go down there and get them for me.
~PEW
This is rich. Neither of my brothers ever told her any such thing. A complete delusion on her part, not surprisingly.
PEW,
We have a current custody order in place until the hearing. I assure you, I’ve checked and I am absolutely not in violation of the current custody agreement that is in force.
If you want to go by the current custody order, I will be only too happy to forward you a schedule for the month that accommodates the planned vacation week, all but one weekend per month (when they are with you) and the two floating weekdays, all to which I am legally entitled.
Let me know how you wish to proceed, time is of the essence and it could change things dramatically for the forthcoming weekend in terms of when the boys are to be picked-up or delivered to you in accordance with the agreement.
As for your fabrications about what was discussed during the phone conversation and your concerns over the safety of the boys, you have nothing to worry about. They are safe, they are happy, and they are excited to see you.
~LM
She plows right through that one…
LM,
Are you bringing the boys home tomorrow? If we are meeting tomorrow, maybe outside of [another town across the state] would be a better place to meet. There’s a big concert here this weekend and they are expecting like 2 million poeple. Let me know what’s going on.
~PEW
And on…
PEW,
Maybe you should call the custody master again. The every-other-weekend arrangement was an agreement for the balance of the school year so as not to upset the school schedule. Beyond school, the current order remains in force.
~LM
And on…
LM,
It also states that I am to have access to the children by phone and you are not letting them call me back! That is also a violation of the order.
~PEW
And on…
PEW,
You have a lot of nerve for all the times I’ve called and left messages to call me back and you never did.
I got your messages and we will be calling you momentarily. Please stop with the dramatics, PEW. I have always had the courtesy to call you back. ALWAYS… a courtesy, I might add, that is not always reciprocated.
I have not violated any order currently in place. Please make a note of it. You really need to get control of yourself.
~LM
And on…
LM,
The order that states you have the kids 3 weekends per month ended when you moved on March 1st. You are absolutely violating the current order. When are you going to drop them off?
~PEW
Having not responded to the last few consecutive emails from her, it wasn’t long before she called the police in our town on us. They didn’t come to our home, but they did call. I answered the phone when “Dadstown Sheriff’s Department” appeared in our caller ID. The conversation didn’t last long. Sergeant Friendlyman, after briefly describing PEW, literally, as a “crazy lady” asked me what was going on. I gave him the “Cliff’s Notes” version. She wanted to come down here and get the children. I wasn’t scheduled to return them until the 3rd. She changed her mind but still wanted me to return the children all the way to her 4-hours away 2-days before I was required to by the court order.
He called PEW back before calling us again. He told us that he told her to stop calling them, they were not going to bother coming out to visit us. When she insisted that I was withholding the children from her, Sgt. Friendlyman tossed out this conversation ending verbal bombshell…
“Ma’am, the only person keeping you from seeing your children - is you. Please don’t call here again on this. It is not a police matter.”
I could have kissed him myself through the phone. With that, he told us to “try” to enjoy our weekend.
That would be all for this portion. Sorry for it’s length, but after discussing this with DW, my options were a long, drawn-out multi-part mess, or a consolidated version where we would try to keep it at 3 parts…
- Our custody exchange prior to her vacation.
- The PEW Family Phone Threats.
- Our custody exchange prior to our vacation.
Now, the onus is on us to either edit the actual voice mails (which might be difficult to do) or “re-enact them” them as only we know how. Hopefully, I can get that done in the next day or so.
The phone threats from her sister and father happened right in the middle of the emails which took place on July 1st. They called me in the middle of the day, while I was at work (and presumably they were) and just… rambled. I actually felt embarrassed for them.
So this would kick off a summer rife with attempts at custodial interference and parental alienation that would have me on edge for most of it.



July 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Ugh! Nightmare!
July 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Mr M my heart goes out to you, your DW and your 2 sons. I know exactly how you felt in this situation. My hubby’s PEG told us their daughter could come abroad for a holiday with us, so we booked up that night. Then the very next morning she called the police and social services and made accusations of long standing sexual abuse which she hadnt noticed until that morning when she “put two and two together” and got 99. So my husband didnt even see his daughter for another 3 months, and even then it was supervised until the trial 7 months later when my husband was completely exonerated by the Judge.
What gets me is how these PEWs completely and utterly ignore the children and what they want and their happiness! It is beyond belief that they are so concerned about their “rules” and how they are so badly done to, when their poor kids are made to hang around missing the parent who is fighting to spend time with them, and usually putting up with the verbally and mentally abusive “parent” who uses them like weapons. It makes me SO mad.
I await part 2 with baited breath…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Wow she is completely crazy, sounds like my PEG. I can only imagine what she will be like in the future as she continues to lose less control!! It should make for a very interesting blog!! HAHA Loved the police station response! Have to cherish those moments.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Oy. I think if I were you I’d have to request pre-scheduled vacations (like every year, the second week in July beginning on Saturday and ending the following Saturday) through the courts and just stick with that until those boys are 18 because that chick would be so murdered if I had to deal with her.
I used to read you guys way back when you and DW first met on another blog. I stumbled on this one when I googled something to help a friend of mine and was very surprised to see it was you! Congrats on the wedding (when the heck was it?) and good luck with PEW. Tell DW I said HI!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
OMG Kristie! Haha, I still read your new blog, but didn’t have an email for you when you changed domains. So funny and awesome that you found us! Congrats on the new house and all the changes!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I love the emails before low contact came into play. I love how we all get suck into the crazy fight and have a hard time getting out.
It is also funny how we all have the same conversations with with PEW/H’s, mine took place over Xmas vacation and was just like this except no family interference.
I can not wait till the next part
July 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Yeah, it can be a real drag re-reading them again, let me tell you!
But still, it’s a stark reminder to avoid going “back there” at all costs. The wasted time, the wasted breath, the wasted keystrokes, the wasted bandwidth, the wasted… wasted… wasted EVERYTHING.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:07 am
I have gone through this same thing every year but one (2007) for the last 13 years (sometimes multiple times in a year). I am going through it right now — just today exchanging emails like the above (though low contact precludes sending anymore). The amount of money spent on ex-parte appearances to defend against visitation interference could probably pay for a year of college.
I commend your intestinal fortitude going back to revisit this stuff.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Hi DW!!! Email me!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:45 am
just reading this you can tell that you left major parts out. i think you’re the psycho misterm.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Mr-M, Thank you so much for being so transparent and letting everyone on here see your mistakes as well. You come off like a total ass in these e-mails. I know you believed at the time that you were just making your case, setting the record straight, trying to convince PEW to come around to your way of thinking. And of course, you have since learned how futile it all was.
I realize it takes a lot of energy to re-print all of this now, but I believe you are doing others a great service to let them see YOU, in all your ignorance, back at this point in your journey. So thank you. It takes a lot of courage to put it out there and say “hey folks, look at this really dumb way I handled it back then; see how little it helped; here is a first-hand reason why you must-must-must learn low/no contact and BIFF communication.”
Those of us who strongly believe that the world “ought” to have “justice” really struggle when it comes to dealing with a high-conflict personality. We don’t understand why WE should have to be the ones to give in, accommodate, learn new ways of interacting. Why can’t THEY ever be held accountable for the aggravation they cause? We vascillate between “walking on eggshells” (unhealthy), and finding reasonable, healthy ways to reduce the emotional inflammation which BPDs and NPDs are always so quick to ignite. We squander a lot energy in “right fights” (”I’m right!”, “No, I’m right!”, “No, I’M right!”, NO, I’M RIGHT!”) when in the end it just doesn’t matter who is “right” because it was never about justice in the first place.
It’s so enlightening to watch you transition from focusing on trying to prove PEW wrong, to finally, truly, making it about your boys.
It’s also interesting that while you correctly tagged PEW as a “kitchen-sink fighter” (where arguments can cover a range of any topic under the sun and ramble all over the place), you don’t recognize that in yourself at this point in your journey. Again, I appreciate your willingness to expose all of your mistakes, because there are readers here who are still in the early portions of their own journeys, who will be able to spot in you what they may not spot in themselves… until they see you do it, and then, if they can be honest and courageous with themselves, they can say “hmmmm… do I do that?”
You are a blessing, Mr-M. What you are doing here is immensely valuable to the many others who struggle. Not only for the validation that you provide (”wow! someone else lives with the same kind of crazy-making! I thought I was the only one!”), but also for the guidance that helps people as they try to deal with their own situation. It is huge, and it is appreciated.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
@what - of course you would be believe that. Facing up to it being completely real would challenge your beliefs.
@jb - I know it. When I see them again, I can’t help but cringe at how stupid I look in the face of mindless stupidity. Of course, one will do just about anything to stop the madness and all I would do is argue and defend and set-straight and argue and defend and and and… never realizing that if I just stopped doing that - it was the best thing I could have done.
Still, I tell myself that this all could have been avoid, every typed word, every phone call, ever police contact… if she would have just did what she promised.
She would ultimately fuck up the vacation start and work would fuck up the last half of it…
I also wanted to point out that this is another situation where I give time and make adjustments for the PEW… and not only do I get nothing in return… she takes more away “by force.”
July 15th, 2009 at 11:18 am
@misterm. lol, I see you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. is that your retort when you have no escape? cuz you’ve used it a few times now when you’re caught with your pants down, so to speak.
challenge my beliefs? theses aren’t “beliefs” LOL they’re facts, they’re written right here in your own words with huge gaping holes in them!
just pointing out the obvious jackass!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am
wow! This is the type of crazy crap my ex pulls… a bit different. He won’t tell me when and where they are going and then keeps it a “secret” from the kids, too. So, no one knows what is going on but him. He’s such a control freak! This summer, he’s too busy to even see the kids. The kids are okay with that. My ex is supposed to have the kids for 5 weeks in the summer. They are only going for 3… every year, my ex has the kids visit less and less. I don’t get it. I swear they go off the deep end… I wish he would!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:29 am
@what - This is what you come up with when you toss out “you can tell you left major parts out” - really?
First off - *I* can’t tell any such thing.
Secondly, it’s easy for people like you to just toss out your own version of what you believe and then make it your reality.
One will never convince someone that such baseless, unsupportable figments of their imagination are wrong. That’s why you feel as cockey as you do about making such statements.
Believe your own fantasies, I readily admit that there is nothing I’m going to do or say that will change your already made-up mind.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:39 am
LOL look in the mirror mister-m, what you’re saying to me, you should be saying to yourself. that’s what this whole thing is, a figment of your imagination. you can’t see what’s in front of you, you rewrite history obviously, and you’re a freakin psychopath. a liar and a crappy excuse for a parent or citizen of this country. what’s worse is that you ACTUALLY believe your lies because you’re in your own little delusional world.
i REALLY feel sorry for your children. how sad.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Is “what” the PEW in question? Inquiring minds would like to know.
When I lived with my BPD *sshole I learned about a year into it that if I just sat on the couch and closed my eyes while he screamed at me that it would stop much, much faster than if I tried to reply. No fuel leads a fire to burn itself out.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:51 am
LOL it won’t be long before she is on here…
July 15th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Someone related to her then…interesting.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
this is really interesting. just because someone points out the cold hard truth, you have to label them to have it make sense to you. see in this little crazy world you guys have here made up of crazy people it’s hard to see past…you guessed it…CRAZY. the only way you can cope with someone pointing out how wrong you are is to call them a PEW! LOL. you guys can’t cope with it, can’t stand it! it’s hilarious!
definitely makes me chuckle in the face of a much more serious problem–your mental illnesses.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Can everyone try “low contact” with What? Obviously, What is getting a kick out of responses and creating drama. If What is ignored, she’ll become bored soon by little response to her craziness.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
misterm I think in the future I’d just ignore the trolls
July 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
It’s easy to see that @what is a PEW, whether male or female, they resort to name calling and blaming when people don’t side with them immediately, and of course, they are perfect and everyone else is mentally ill. It’s like arguing with a 6 year old, there is no introspection, everything is black and white, and of course the father fighting for his children should just be a man, hand over all of his money, and never see his children again, because that is what is best for the ex wife. @what will never see their own issues, and they will never get help, that is why we have this site in the first place, so others know they are not alone, there are a lot of @what’s out there, and if you were unlucky enough to get involved with them, you have to develop the skills to limit your interaction with them. Put your low contact skill to use everyone
July 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Actually, at the risk of fanning the flames, I find the interchange with “what” a fascinating demonstration of exactly how a PEW/PEH mind works.
Not that anyone on here needs more of that, considering that they wouldn’t be here if they weren’t already dealing with PEW/PEH-ness in their own lives.
To all of you “nons” out there: remember when the crazy-making got at its worst, how YOU were the one who ended up feeling crazy? And of course, the BPD/NPD in your life was only too happy to jump right in and confirm it, with accusations of your “mental illness” right along with all of their other unfounded allegations.
There is one huge litmus test: the *real* BPDs and NPDs among us will never EVER question their own sanity. Only someone else’s. So, if you’ve ever found yourself closely scrutinizing your life and your interactions with your PEW/PEH, and saying “wow, that was weird… am I nuts?” then relax. The very fact that you are asking the question indicates that you are not. (You are probably co-dependent, a rescuer, or using other maladaptive behavior — yes; but nuts — no).
Never forget that in the Land of Oz, everything is flipped, and your reality gets super boogered up, and your frame of reference is no longer calibrated to True North, and you cannot detect this. You can only tell that something is horribly “off”. Your experience is that whenever you try to make sense of it, the BPD/NPD high-conflict person in your life is coming at you from yet another angle, spiraling off in a direction that you never expected or predicted.
Until you’ve been on the receiving end of this, you will never ever understand it.
The fascinating thing about “what” is that he/she has no clue just how revealing their remarks here are (it kinda makes me think of the two-year-old who covers their own eyes and says “ha ha you can’t see me!”). Those of us who have successfully made our way back to “Kansas” can look at the weird, rambling, circular posts by “what”, and say ‘hmmmm… where have I seen that before?’
Okay Mr-M, I apologize if I’ve fanned the flames more than you wanted them fanned. It just seemed like a good opportunity to explicitly point out to the readers what they are seeing. As you well know, when your frame of reference has been out of calibration for a long time, any form of validation is hugely valuable.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
“What”, the readers of this site understand that this is a weblog, and the information presented is from the perspective of the writer, and take it as such.
You seem absolutely convinced that “you can tell that you left major parts out”, and “they’re written right here in your own words with huge gaping holes in them!”, and “this whole thing is, a figment of your imagination”, and “you rewrite history obviously, and you’re a freakin psychopath. a liar and a crappy excuse for a parent or citizen of this country”.
You go on to accuse the writer, and the readers of this site of being “crazy” and having “mental illness”.
Do you have any facts to go along with your statements? Or any facts to refute the statements of the writer? If you would like to join an intelligent discussion, I’m sure the rest of us would enjoy hearing them.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
JB… we agree with you, wholeheartedly. The question becomes… how much is enough?
In those few posts, s/he exhibited all of the classic signs of someone who is predisposed to “high-conflict anything” and had no ability to speak intelligently on the (alleged) facts at hand. When confronted with them… they “plow right through it” (as I often say) and just continue with their belligerent diatribe.
Also, we’ll see how persistent “what” is. “Hide My Ass” only works if we allow it. Needless to say, we no longer “allow” it. lol
July 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
wow … our PEW’s emails are identical to these! your PEW and our PEW must be sisters!
dude - we feel your pain. our PEW just sent a rant about my DH not paying enough gas money for the kids’ driving round trip between houses. my husband offered to pay one way, she could pay the other - makes sense, doesn’t it? oh, not in PEW world it doesn’t. our PEW sent this psycho email about the fact her car only gets 12 miles to the gallon, it’s my husband’s fault it does (how, we still don’t know), and he should pay for his children and gas for her car…(huh? doesn’t the $1600+ CS we pay take care of the children?)
we just ignore the majority of her emails. it’s easier that way… good luck.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Doesn’t Mr M’s PEW constantly write an e-mail, followed up by another e-mail a minute or two later, just like what’s last two posts at 3:38 and 3:40?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
LOL, and ANOTHER at 3:43!!!! So PEW like!!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
“What”, I have gone back and reread every single one of Mister M’s posts, and not once do I see him refer to you as “smartass etc.” or any other instance of name calling. If this is incorrect, please show the rest of us so we can see it.
I noticed you haven’t responded to my original post, at least I think you haven’t. You have made some blanket statements like, “u guys are psychos”, and “you guys are FUCKING PSYCHOTIC!”, and “the crazies call the sane one crazy for calling them crazy”, and lastly, “u guys are morons”.
Do you include me in these assessments? I have not called you names, or judged you “crazy”. I have asked you to provide facts to go along with your statements, and encouraged you to join in an intelligent discussion.
I await your response.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
“i really really see these issues as black and white”
Isn’t this a primary symptom of BPD?? lol.
July 16th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Ours is just pissy because we’re going to California with the kiddos. ‘Must be nice’, was her first comment…well shoot, it’s not our fault she’s stuck at a dead end job, she threw away all her chances at something better. She’s pissy because the older kiddo has no interest in staying with her at all(we have custody of him), and that the younger absolutely loves coming to spend time with us. Again, not our fault we have a ‘normal’ home, while hers is not. Of course it’s all our fault though, everything is, as always.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:51 am
@what - I agree with Jimpy, do ‘lets have an intelligent discussion.
As this is a blog, we do understand that this is the opinion of the writer, Mr.M. From your statement ‘just reading this you can tell that you left major parts out,’ i assume you have some facts or statements to either add or contradict Mr M’s. I for one welcome your opinion based on your facts. Start with…. why say: ‘i think you’re the psycho misterm’
@everyone_else - sorry for fanning the flames, but in the interest of intelligent discussion, I (and maybe Jimpy) can at least give @what the benefit of the doubt.
July 18th, 2009 at 4:15 am
How @what thinks s/he can get away with their ridiculous remarks on here and try and turn people against Mr M is beyond my understanding. Mr M, your website is an oasis in the desert of miserable, stressful and depressing days spent just trying to acquire some quality time with much loved children.
@what - get a life.
July 18th, 2009 at 9:18 am
On the subject of vacation…and hey, Mr. M., I got a call from a D town policeman last weekend. He was very nice..thought you’d enjoy that tidbit!:) Ah the psycho ex on the rampage….
Anyway, back to the comment. My daughter won a free trip to France with her homeschool group. She wanted to see the Eiffel tower before she lost all over her vision(she has a degenerative retinal disease).
PB refused to sign the passport and so we went to court. Several thousands of dollars later, the judge found in my favor. My daughter got to go to France and after running after PB, his lawyer and his sister, my friends and I literally cornered them so he had to sign–he refused to sign the passport paper even AFTER the judge had ordered him to do so.
I sold that story to a publication that writes about financial issues. Yes, I got paid to tell people about what a jerk my ex is. That was sweet…and my daughter got to see the Eiffel Tower before she lost her vision. Double sweet.
And I sent him a postcard from France….:)
July 18th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Good for you and your daughter!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:38 am
A fantastic reminder of why low-contact (or if you’re still in Oz, no fuel) is the only way to go!
It’s just such a sad reminder, though, that damage minimilization has to be a way of life for so many of us.
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