Saturday, May 3, 2008

How Do You Teach Children Commitment, Loyalty, Responsibility?


Answer: Well, it wouldn't be by letting them out of their Scouts commitment because "they don't feel like doing it."

These are the days that can be so frustrating. It's not my custody week, but last night, the last official Pack Meeting was scheduled and it was going to be fun and interesting - as most of them are. The big feature for yesterday, a beautiful, sunny day, would be the parent/scout kickball game. The weather was perfect for it, too.

Giving PEW the kind of respect I don't often get, I sent a text message to find out if it would be an imposition if I attended tonight. The reason I do this is because I don't want her imposing herself on any activities that occur on my custodial period. That doesn't stop her, but I don't much mind. I do probably make too much of an effort to do what *I* perceive to be "the right thing." The secondary reason? I had a sneaking suspicion that she wouldn't take them anyway. She certainly isn't in any shape to participate in a kickball game and is the picture of a sedentary, food & drink consuming lifestyle.

I was correct in my suspicion as confirmed by her at the last minute while I was getting ready to roll out. She is that predictable.

I was going to go to the Pack Meeting anyway. Yes, a little part of me wanted to be asked by another parent or the leader just so I could say, "Well, they're with mom this week and decided that they just didn't want to participate. I thought I'd come to help out and have fun with the Pack anyway." I'm disappointed because I managed to develop some decent relationships with other parents over the course of the last 6-months insofar as activities and interactions within. This would have been a tremendous amount of fun, I'm sure. I turned around half-way there after chatting about things with DW on the phone. Among the reasons:

- It wasn't worth it and could backfire.

- It could look creepy that you would come to play with the other children while yours weren't in attendance.

- People would wonder why you didn't just go get the kids and bring them and you certainly didn't want to have to be put on the spot explaining that one, if anyone was even bold enough to ask. They would certainly wonder.

This really sucks. A couple of other things come to mind. I could offer to pick them up and take them myself! No. No, I couldn't. I avoid doing anything that involves me going to her home for a pickup/dropoff unless absolutely necessary. I'm sure undermining her decision to allow the kids to dictate their attendance at the Pack Meeting would have been cause for a confrontation. She could simply say, "no" - which is another confrontation. Or, the kids would be resistant that I was "forcing" them to go and there would be a scene. That's not something I want to happen on "her turf."

She contributes almost nothing to their scouting effort. She hasn't gotten them their new books since they've moved up a level. The boys regularly tell me that mom does nothing with them regarding Scouts while with her (aside from attending meetings sometimes with them). This is the case despite her signing S1 up for Scouts. She didn't sign S2 up because he "didn't feel like it." I got him in 3-months after it started and caught him up on my time when I explained to him the types of activities and lessons he would be missing as a result of not feeling like it. He's loved it.

I've worked very hard to instill the commitment, loyalty, teamwork, responsibility - all hallmarks of the scouting effort. Yet, when mom decides to balk and let them out of their responsibilities because the truth is - she doesn't feel like doing it - it ruins it. It really does.

Now, when I get them on Sunday, we'll be having a discussion about all of those things and how I'm disappointed that they simply "didn't feel like it" doesn't meet with my approval. I get to be the big ogre right out of the gate for the week. Too bad for me. These are important lessons and if I'm going to be the one repeatedly trying to reinforce these important lessons, it is something I'll simply have to deal with. Perhaps a lesson in how their day-to-day lives would be impacted if I just "didn't feel like" doing certain things is in order.

It just chaps my ass that instead of being with their Scout Pack, they're probably home watching television, playing video games, or doing some other non-value added activity that teaches them nothing but the laziness that their mother instills in them. Another opportunity for a fun physical activity and exercise wasted.

I really wanted to go despite their absence, but I think DW made some very valid points during our discussion and the potential negative consequences were too much to risk for the sake of being an adult participant with the Pack tonight.

I wonder if the few who criticized my decision to keep S1 out of a Den activity earlier this year as "sending the wrong message" would feel as strongly about Mom's choice to not go because they didn't feel like it (including mom)? At least back then, the decision was made due to S1 getting in a physical confrontation at school.

I'm very disappointed.

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7 comments:

JB said...

LM, if you are open to some feedback, may I please offer it?
Please understand that I have great respect for you and what you are trying to do, and for being so honest and transparent with your living situation and your feelings.
Also, understand that I am a 16-year veteran of the trenches of single parenthood, but not co-parenthood (my children's father vanished completely); so I can tell you what worked for me... and if you recall my earlier comments, I would conclude that it has worked quite well for me (five very accomplished and successful young ladies!).
Here is my feedback: you may want to assess whether or not you are trying too hard to counter-balance against PEW's lousy parenting... and going too far in the other direction. Striving too hard to make scouts work out, or engage S1 and S2 in high-quality activities, or to infuse them with all the great values you so desperately want them to have; because you know they are going to get just opposite from PEW. You and DW work so amazingly well together, so use her to help you separate out what is good parenting from what is trying too hard to balance against PEW's lousy parenting. Try to assess your parenting techniques in terms of their own value and for their own sakes, without factoring PEW into the equation. And give yourself (and your sons) permission to not get it right every time, and to learn from mistakes.
Also - the overall approach and philosophy of "Parenting with Love and Logic" has worked amazingly well for me, and for many other parents that I know who have reared their children to become accomplished, successful, loving, contributing, purposeful adults. It might be a tool you would find valuable as well.
Best of luck! Thanks again for all of your efforts on this site.

Mister-M said...

JB... one doesn't have a "public" blog without an expectation of feedback. ;-)

I would likely agree to some extent with your assessment. I am absolutely trying to do "twice the meaningful lesson-teaching" because of my belief that PEW is falling very short. I dread my kids turning out troubled because they don't have two decent parents to instill similar values and beliefs in them.

Yes, DW and I communicate rather often and extremely well (both ways) for such issues. It's why I called as I was driving towards the meeting and saying, Something doesn't feel right about my decision here... gimme some of your thoughts... here are mine... They didn't match, but I erred on the side of caution.

Your feedback is quite valuable and always appreciated.

starshine30 said...

We believe strongly that one should always keep their word. We have tried so hard to teach our children that the most valuable thing they have is their honor.Backing out of situations, or activities that were committed to at an earlier time is unacceptable in our home. We try very hard to always keep every promise we make to our children. When they are with their mother they are given a thousand promises that are never kept...and believe you me, the kids know when a parent breaks a promise, and we hear about it when they come to our house.
That is when we discuss the action of "follow through" with them. I know they understand the concept and they are great when following through with any commitment that takes place in our custody. However when it comes to being with their mom, their lazy side comes out and they know that she won't force them to do anything they don't want to. Why? Because 1. she is very lazy and if it means more time for her in front of the boob tube than Yea! for her. 2. If it means she'd have to actually pay for the event and would then in turn be unable to pay for lunch with friends and for her friends, than Yea! for her, she has more money. Their mother is already teaching them to lie and to cover up mistakes with answers like, "I don't know." "I forgot." or the simple shoulder shrug. In our home these answers and actions are unacceptable. We believe that accountablity and intgerity give a person character not sitting on your bum watching CSI:Miami and Lifetime Television.....that was a lot of ranting, I hope it makes sense. I am kinda fired up about this topic at all times. :)

Dawn said...

Just keep in mind it is the nature of these types to tell you the kids did not want to go, convince them that they did not want to go, then have you fuss at the kids and then be there to say "See how your Father is....blah blah blah" I agree it is important to stress responsibility, but I think it also is important you not fall into the trap of being the bad guy.

It may be that they did want to go and she would not take them or arranged something more fun, knowing you take this very seriously and that you would not let is pass without without a lecture.

I could be wrong, but we have been set up in these dances a lot and you really have to think about what her motivation would be. It will always be to destroy your relationship with the kids, and have them cling to her to prevent her perceived abandonment. Any ammo she can get to make you look like the bad guy and hate anything positive connected to you she will use.

Scouts should be fun. Don't allow her to make it something else.

I would suggest you tell them all the fun they missed and explain that when you you fail to keep up your end of the bargain that sometimes you miss out on the fun because of it and leave it at that.

schottsax said...

I agree that you have to watch out for the over compensation (I have been guilty of this in the past). I know now that part of the reason I ended up with PEW was becuase of my own issue of wanting to rescue this poor victim (white knight). It is easy to go with this nature when it comes to the kids now and her BPD infuenced parenting. After several years since the divorce and with primary custody I find the kids figure out things like this follow-through issue without a lot of long explanations or serious talks. We just always follow though and if/when they have tried the excuses while with us they simply don't work. They soon stop using them. I find they crave the stability and predictability we offer especially in contrast to PEW's constant emotional chaos.

Once in awhile she is able to screw up an activity --- my favorite is not bringing one of my sons to a game when I am the coach --- "uhhh where is DS1?" from the other parents...or consistently late or without equipment. I just shrug it off (just like if it was someone else's kid -- nothing I can do about it, and if I react she gets her payoff).

My current approach is lead by example. There are so many situations that the kids are exposed to and seeing what you do consistently is a very effective way to get the message across --- rest assured they are watching and learning.

Good luck, Keep the faith.

Justice said...

It's the same reason I can't be a Brownie leader anymore. Involved in the Scouting movement for 30+ years of my life, and I can't elicit the cooperation required from the PEH to let A1 go and set her up for success. So I don't, and she doesn't. And it's a crying shame. In other news, I've met someone decent. Thanks for putting your story out there. It's a testament to your character that you were able to pick up enough pieces post-PEW to rebuild yourself. Hope springs eternal.

Mister-M said...

FYI, I left it alone. A couple reasons - at the top of the list was:

- I just don't feel like starting off my week as a potential "bad guy." The issue just isn't worth it.

- The feedback from readers both here and via email, which is essentially said the same thing with some additional salient points.

- It was too nice outside and they were in such a great mood!

My future actions will set the stage for them to tell the difference between loyalty, responsibility, commitment, and all those other important tools... and laziness, inconsistency, selfishness.

They're bright boys.